tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post7578097674266575218..comments2024-02-24T06:25:59.743-08:00Comments on The Spine Blogger: For Whom The Bell Tolls: The Spine Technology AwardsMusculoskeletal Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14873819014357051373noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-21496648501919089272010-10-09T14:44:32.499-07:002010-10-09T14:44:32.499-07:00Yes, surgeons are that gullible, and that greedy. ...Yes, surgeons are that gullible, and that greedy. All these cell products are nothing but expensive and slightly inferior DBMs. Why inferior? When they die, which they inevitably will sitting in an devascularized clotted hole, they release lysosymes which will kill the rest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-53721590498236097642010-10-08T14:26:34.590-07:002010-10-08T14:26:34.590-07:00I think rat data could be useful, granted with the...I think rat data could be useful, granted with the correct implant location and a fair comparison. It doesn't sound like Alphatec Spine did that. Maybe the testing using standard methods did not turn out well?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-69538325852964110522010-10-08T12:45:00.510-07:002010-10-08T12:45:00.510-07:00NASS Sucked this year!NASS Sucked this year!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-36813170383168052932010-10-08T10:49:17.073-07:002010-10-08T10:49:17.073-07:00As the saying goes,"You could piss in a rat a...As the saying goes,"You could piss in a rat and it will grow bone." Enough said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-71923699855897952602010-10-08T08:27:37.808-07:002010-10-08T08:27:37.808-07:00The only legit awards are ones voted by surgeons (...The only legit awards are ones voted by surgeons (preferably ones without financial interest). Robyn licensed the Nucel technology to Nutech himself. Of course he will give them the "President's Award". Same goes for Alphatec's Puregen. Robyn has a six figure consulting contract with Alphawreck. The Puregen data is very suspect. They used an intramuscular rat model instead of the standard subcutaneous model used for stem cell products. It is most likely that the MSCs in the rat muscle accounted for the growth instead of the Puregen cells. The Puregen studies also used a concentration of Puregen cells that was 6 times that of mscs. Talk about skewing data. Robyn, you lost what little respect I had left for you. Have you no shame?!?!?!??????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-64132092646956358932010-10-08T07:37:53.855-07:002010-10-08T07:37:53.855-07:00If all these products are so useless - which they ...If all these products are so useless - which they may well be until a decent stem cell source is found and proven to have some effect - why do surgeons use them? Are they really that gullible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-6176956178242944332010-10-08T04:43:03.750-07:002010-10-08T04:43:03.750-07:009:55 - AGREED
7:48 - sadly... TRIPLE AGREED
9:48 -...9:55 - AGREED<br />7:48 - sadly... TRIPLE AGREED<br />9:48 - I can hear your evil self-serving cackle. Muahahaha...<br />NuCel - Clinical studies? (honest clinical results, not paid for) White papers? (not paid for) Something stating it's uses other than "Wound Covering"?... Anything???...Nothing??? Yah, I didn't think so. ("but, wait I have my smoke and mirrors degree from Acme")<br /><br />Nauseating, self-serving, greedy, guileful I want to see who gets the awards for these obviously well honed attributes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-84363369013925843302010-10-08T02:09:36.822-07:002010-10-08T02:09:36.822-07:00Great reserach from Japan presented at the ICRS me...Great reserach from Japan presented at the ICRS meeting in Sitges, showed that cell differentiation and growth after micro-fracture (done to allow marrow stem cells to leak into the defect) was NOT dependant on the age ofthe patient.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-3360990957747633612010-10-07T21:55:59.941-07:002010-10-07T21:55:59.941-07:00RY Ortho is not legit information, what was once a...RY Ortho is not legit information, what was once a respected industry veteran and unbiased analyst, Robin will now support anything that advertises with him. He's no longerTHE MAN to know, so dialed in to everything that's going on. Now he's all about company support and hasn't said an honest critical word about anyone in the industry. Nice guy, smart guy, but his opinion has been diluted by external interests.<br /><br />Those awards- what a joke. Leave that to a society or other group. Who is he to give out awards? I was asked to buy those expensive seats and since I didn't my product never got mentioned. If I did, and several thousand later, I guarantee I would've won something. Please, give me a break.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-90434692910126146592010-10-07T21:48:34.601-07:002010-10-07T21:48:34.601-07:00biodlogics baby!biodlogics baby!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-9373059122336282672010-10-07T21:15:35.087-07:002010-10-07T21:15:35.087-07:007:43, you are wrong about stem cells. A 65 year o...7:43, you are wrong about stem cells. A 65 year old has stem cells that are just as viable and effective as a 13 year old, just not as many of them. 8:38 I was unclear as to what you meant by "The cryogenic process PureGen undergoes makes this product as effective as Osteocell". Did you mean that Osteocell IS effective? As I understand it, Osteocell is collected from cadaver donors. The apoptosis signal has been given and the cells are headed toward death. I also heard either Osteocel or Trinity comes with a 5 year shelf life, which is absurd for a supposed live cell stored at -80C. That is package sterility date, not a cell viabilty date. Another thing they won't tell you is that the 250K cell count is not all MSC's, I'm not sure they know what they are, but they most definitely are not all MSC's. NuCell and Puregen will be the frontrunners soon whether they work or not. Some surgeons will buy into stem cells but who would use cadaver cells when you have live cells as an option?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-55676791741158734482010-10-07T11:13:46.104-07:002010-10-07T11:13:46.104-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-31990994331667374732010-10-07T08:38:30.309-07:002010-10-07T08:38:30.309-07:00Well 7:43, long enough to know that BMP-2 will sti...Well 7:43, long enough to know that BMP-2 will still be more effective and used consistently as opposed to PureGen that won't show the results as quickly. The cryogenic process PureGen undergoes makes this product as effective as Osteocell. Let's consider amniotic tissue instead, maybe a better stem cell product on the horizon. Show me the clinical studies that show that PureGen is that much better. BMA from the patient is still better, unfortunately you won't get the hefty commission check. <br /><br />I've seen many products released with promises of being the game changer. If you've been in this biz long enough, you would understand. Use what works, use what shows clear clinical benefit and don't get overly excited about "The First" or "New, New, New!" For the price of Puregen, stick with the BMP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-24897909514131788372010-10-07T07:48:25.879-07:002010-10-07T07:48:25.879-07:00When the Master of Ceremonies has a financial inte...When the Master of Ceremonies has a financial interest in two stem cell companies isn't this type of award show a bit disingenuous and self-serving? JMHOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-18341538106553736502010-10-07T07:43:06.049-07:002010-10-07T07:43:06.049-07:00these shows and ideas are great...but if a company...these shows and ideas are great...but if a company doesn't come out with anything worth a damn of course they're not going to support it...<br />oh and 7:17 - stem cells from a patient that's 65 won;t do anything compared to stem cells from a donor who's under 35.... how the hell did you get into this industry??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-65919536550356456252010-10-07T07:17:13.425-07:002010-10-07T07:17:13.425-07:00Since these products take stem cells from live don...Since these products take stem cells from live donors, I'm just curious to understand why taking a bone marrow aspirate kit out, poking the patient and extracting their own isn't better, safer and more cost efficient. Other stem cells taken from cadaver.....just use a DBM. Until the data is out, these seem more like promises in a bottle. I remember ordering my X-ray glasses out of a comic book as kid, duped, hence, no viewing naked women. Buyer beware!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-126852961571725269.post-1271062015017256262010-10-07T06:14:59.683-07:002010-10-07T06:14:59.683-07:00Where is the list of winners? Honoring the engine...Where is the list of winners? Honoring the engineers that design innovative products in this industry is a great idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com