Thursday, November 4, 2010

Hey Big Spender, Spend a L'il Time with Me

The minute you walked in the joint, I could see that you were a man of distinction, a real big spender

Good looking so refined, say wouldn't you like to know what's going on in my mind, so let me get right to the point, I don't pop my cork for every headhunter that I see

 Hey big spender, spend a little time with me.....

No fellow bloggers, TSB is not looking for some Sweet Charity, neither am I looking for Bob Fosse to choreograph some dance step....... TSB is writing on behalf of the many complaints that we have heard from industry professionals that are out of work, either looking for a new opportunity, or just checking out the job market.  Can we talk?  Are there any intelligent search firms or headhunters out there capable of doing their job in an organized and coherent manner.  You know, follow-up with phone calls to update the potential candidate as to the status of their interview or search?  What's wrong with you people, does TSB need to start outing some of you incompetent organizations.

How ridiculous is it when a candidate who has had multiple interviews, calls the recruiter to find out the status of their interview, and, the recruiter snaps back that they should take it incumbent upon themselves to follow up with the company.  No less, the imbecile is on the floor of NASS.  Hey dip shit, it's your job to do the leg work.  Just like the company is your client, the candidate is your meal ticket........hello!  How about this one, a fellow blogger notified us that a major search firm out of Philadelphia calls them up for one job, and then three weeks later calls them up for another job that doesn't even meet their skillset.  What's wrong with you people, didn't you vote for Proposition 19?  If you didn't, you should have because many of you people are walking around stoned.  Recently, one of our bloggers applied for a job only to be told that the hiring company was not interested in pursuing him without looking at his qualifications because he had previously worked at a company that they did not like.  WTF is that?  Don't sweat it, non of us would want to work for a dirt bag like that.

Stop with the "Linked In" BS.   That's got to be the biggest farce going around.  Just log on and read some of the non-sense that is bandied about on that platform, and you legitimize much of what we write about.  So in the spirit of debate, TSB wants to know your story, who has helped and who just plain sucks the life out of you?

91 comments:

  1. Misty Doonis (Top Medical Reps) is one of the best.

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  2. Many recruiters failed in the Corporate world and are now failing as "recruiters" and post faux openings just to gather resumes. They then run to hiring companies who are advertising on their own website (read no agencies)and still beg them to consider "their" candidates. So if you do not hear back, that is one of the reasons.

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  3. Wow, this topic will be a hot tamale. Many recruiters failed in the corporate world and now are trying again as head hunters. No one should expect competency with most of this bunch.

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  4. TSB love the blog topic, if we have learned one thing it is never rely on a recruiter, where I come from, they are known as pondscum.

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  5. I guess this topic pertains to Spine. Headhunters are named that for a reason. Like you said TSB, you are only a meal ticket. When you mention Linkedin- I disagree, it is a good resource to approve the jack@ss headhunters’’’’ to remind you to keep your distance and information to yourself. Anyone looking for work these days are more or less desperate to get back into the game and are vulnerable. I guess headhunters are much like Jehovah Witnesses. I once had a headhunter contact me and asked me if I knew anyone who was interested in a job and I bluntly said “what about me”. Response was “I do this for a living and there are no positions open.” Ok, so after one year the same jack@ass asked again if I knew anyone looking for a job. This time I just gave them a person’s name who is also a jack@ass in the industry. Not to mention, I didn’t even get a thank you.

    The best solution for the unemployment; is to find out who these jack@asses’’’ are recruiting for, and contact the firm directly. Every man and woman for themselves. Better yet, it’s all about networking and also going out blindly to firms not knowing they are hiring because there’s a good chance they have not updated their career site on their page. So back to these jack@asses, once they get confirmation you are not a good fit for one company they move on– bottom line. Especially, in this current economy and they have plenty of prospects at their disposal.

    So the jack@ass e-mailed me recently and ask if I knew anyone who is interested in a job? I simply gave them another jackass name. I even told this person I found a position recently but withheld the firm’s name when I was asked- that information requires a fee.

    With that said, I found my own marketing position, and the cool-aid is not half bad. Just telling it as it is.

    This message is dedicated to the jack@ass headhunters’’’ who are reading this, and not the bad apples I haven’t come across yet, but I will one day, and add you to my Linkedin account.

    P.S. TSB rules!

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  6. Best name to give a headhunter... the best person at your competition. A competitor once gave me that tip when I asked why he kept giving my name to headhunters. I was flattered and have often since done the same. Never know when a someone has a bad day with his boss and decides to jump ship, to your benefit.

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  7. Oooh goody, recruiter bashing. Ill start.
    Jacks Sales. Id question any company that even uses this guy. BTW, Can we you prolific profanity here?

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  8. Damn, i sounded drunk...i am kind of.

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  9. Recruiting, where failed reps and managers go to finish out their careers

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  10. Nice topic-woke this morning to some dipshit response from someone with a VP title. Very professional and "get it" Josh and Drew hands down. Julianne Kennedy very good-works her ass off. Heidi Vidmar sorry. Also hear Matt Cronin placing people.

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  11. I don't believe recruiters as a whole supported Prop 19, as evidenced by their chronic (no pun intended) failure to tip me off when a company piss tests.

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  12. Ryan Harris, The Bales Group in Jacksonville, Florida is as unprofessional as they come!
    Andre and Tony, I really question you for working with such an individual.

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  13. What about Mike Hurley!? Dude's off the rocker and about as unprofessional as they come.

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  14. Used to use R. Harris to find reps. All good candidates but more than once they left pissed because the actual comp package was half of what he told them. One other issue is failing to get back to candidates.

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  15. IF NINA BUSH SENDS ME ONE MORE F'ING EMAIL TONIGHT.......

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  16. Otto Clarizio is a stand up guy. He helped me transition from total joints into a career in spine. Still calls me once a year to see how I'm doing, which I respect. I can't speak for all recruiters but TSB asked for recommendations so here you go. otto.clarizio@hcrnetwork.com

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  17. Mike Haverstock, a little different but works hard and nice guy, Always has time to talk your ear off. Follows up well. cell 954-682-2551.

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  18. There is a plethora of these guys (Oscar, Micah, Paul and on and on and on...)on Linkedin who talk a big game and then ..no follow up--and there is no such thing as "exclusive"--- found out LifeSpine is using what seems like every recruiting group east of the Mississippi for the same jobs.

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  19. Oscar and Micah...now there is a twosome. They have been advertising the same "opportunities" on their site since the beginning of the year.

    I think it is called resume harvesting..or something agricultural sounding..ha

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  20. Paul "Chateau" Briand...."Did you know I was an early Danek rep?" Great choice leaving for a recruiters position. It's amazing how this a$$hat places anyone.

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  21. Two thumbs up on Otto also.

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  22. Erik Zikos at MPC global is very good, just placed me in a great new position and his follow up was way above what I have come to expect over the years.

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  23. John DeMaio is not good in my opinion. When he worked with me, he presented me with two options. One I was not even close to being qualified for, and another opportunity I actually had interest in. When I brought up the fact I had no chance at the first job, he mentioned "that's ok, we will use it to leverage against the other". Yeah right. For the second position, he had no luck getting me in front of the company. After awhile he said, "forget those guys, there is no chance of getting an interview" So I worked through my contacts and found someone on the inside who dropped my resume on the hiring managers desk. He then called me back and said, "Great news! All my hard work paid off, I got you an interview!". Way to take credit for my work behind the scenes. His advice also stunk for the interview prep. I didn't even listen. The company ended up wanting to hire me, but I turned it down in the end. No thanks to him.

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  24. Never had a single positive experience with a recruiter. Never, ever! I guess the silver lining here is that thank God I've only needed that svc once after 10 years in spine. They are not for you they are for themselves, but they will give you a pretty BS story! Anybody ever heard $250,000-$300,000 "at plan" It's $125,000 if your lucky!

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  25. My favorite of all times: Ed Bartolas. Run, baby run!

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  26. Must agree on the Ryan Harris comments. Absolutely no follow up. I would highly recommend staying away from this guy.

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  27. I've dealt with dozens of recruiters and honestly can't think of one person I would recommend.

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  28. Harris? a joke. no prep. no follow-up.
    Zikos at MPC--excellent prep. steered me straight for a great new gig.

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  29. As a RSM and VP for the last 11 years I have used several of the above names and have to agree with most comments. I believe their sorry behavior has more to do with the fact they are fighting for a piece of a shrinking pie and are willing to cut whatever ethical corner is necessary.

    Many of us are now using referrals as with so much talent out there, why pay a five figure placement fee when I can just get referrals from our own rep? Particularly when some of these recruiters are so shiftless as to not have the professional courtesy to even get back to the candidates I interviewed. These candidates then call me asking about their status.

    My suggestion is to network and go directly to company websites instead. We no longer use agencies.

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  30. Stop 8:44!

    You almost made me lose my breakfast! I haven't heard that name in 10 years! you mean he's still around--talk about bad pennies!

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  31. A Retained Firm RecruiterNovember 5, 2010 at 10:12 AM

    9.29, you act as if sales managers like yourself are somehow pillars of ethics yourselves. your comments suggest you have no idea how the recruiting industry works, most likely because you have spent your time working with lazy, bottom feeding, job-board scrubbing contigency recruiters, and not retained search firms that actively head hunt qualified candidates from competitive companies based upon mutually agreed upon criteria. They dont go after the unemployed (or unemployable), rather those that wouldnt have considered a new gig until they were contacted and sold on it by a professional like me who took the time to understand the opportunity myself.

    As far as the market being so great, sounds like you read your own publicity. what say you call a firm like mine that does exclusive searches, and put 5 of thier candidates against 5 of the ones who find trolling your website or referred from reps trying to make an extra grand and see how their numbers stack up in year?

    dont want to pay "5 figures" eh? whats a top perfomer bring in revenue-wise? the extra 10k you want to penny-pinch now could translate into 100s of thousands in unattained revenue because your arrogance dicated you hire Dr Smith's brother in law instead of a top rep.

    bottom line: pay peanuts? get monkeys.

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  32. Wow, all this discussion and nobody has mentioned the scam that the AIMS group has perpetrated. How much money has this group made off their candidates on the front and from clients on the back.
    What a joke in my opinion. Hired and fired a couple. Trained monkey's at best, no sales skills, overall huge disappointments! Run away from them if they come knocking.

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  33. I know of one really solid person. She has never placed me... but, have good knowledge of her and so on... Celeste Stollars of Network Executives.

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  34. In my past placements it has been word of mouth, only. If you want a new job, call and network yourself. If you are as good as you think you are people will know and gladly offer you a position. This industry is small--do a good job and you are an assett; do a bad job and you're just an ass.

    Stand on your own accomplishments, network and referrals.

    Recruiters can be more of a deterrent from a job than an avenue to one... they can misrepresnt you... lead you astray... their own ''follow up'' can screw you out of a job that would have been yours if you hadn't relied on their ''services''.

    etc.

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  35. The rule is 80/20 people... in life, in business and in head-hunting. So 8 out of 10 you work with are not worth working with. Me, I take the 2 good out of the 10 - that's the good guys/gals. I get a group of the "good guys" that makes-up an elite group of 10, and then I suggest you work with the 2o/80 equation of this group. This caliber of head-hunter is the best and wont let you down.
    As for more RSM/VP for 11 years: "hey man, let it go and remember that you probably had a hand in deciding to work with the deadbeats that now shape your opinion. In my book, you are partially to blame."
    I know there are great, ethical headhunters out there. These guys/gals bust thier gut for the client and the candidate and use every once of skill to negotiate the win/wins that you guys/gals and your lives benefit from long after the deal is done.
    You love the head-hunter when you need him/her and forget them when you don't.
    Set your own standards high when choosing your career manager and you'll be less likely to be disappointed.

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  36. I have used Josh Sandberg and the De Angelis Group with great success. They are terrific, ethical, and professional. They do retained searches, but if you are a candidate that rocks you should give them a shot. If you are a spine company, you should use one of the others....

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  37. So what Anon.10:12 says it is better to use him as he can talk someone into quitting on his/her current employer rather than hire someone who lost their postition for nothing more than a company wide lay off and/or senority?

    I am not a manager but not sure if I would hire a quitter over the latter..assuming the latter was competent. I thought all firms always asked to be retained ie exclusive. Failing that they hang their heads and then call themselves contingency.

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  38. I have always wondered why recruiters think the employed are more competent and thus desirable than the unemployed?
    I guess the illogical asssumption that the unemployed did something to merit that status?

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  39. A Retained RecruiterNovember 5, 2010 at 2:10 PM

    @ 12.45 and ., its not the recruiters that think this way and deserve the blame, dipshits, its the clients. I have presented many a qualified but unemployed candidate, whether by choice or consequence, only to have them shot down by the hiring manager. Companies, right or wrong, want individuals currently in a position and not on the sidelines, regardless of why. I dont agree with that, but there it is. Seek first to understand how the system works, then be understood before you spout nonsense.

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  40. Ryan Harris,don't even bother with him. You don't a job bad enough to have to deal with him...he is that bad

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  41. How ridiculous is it to say that someone does not have the skill sets to do an exceptional job because they are on the IR list. That just shows you how f'd up companies really are regardless of the realities. That would be like passing on a potential Michael Jordan just because he was not on his HS varsity team for four years. Of course its always the clients fault, wouldn't expect otherwise, because the headhunter is the ultimate professional LOL. Take as many resumes as you can, never follow-up with a courtesy call to update the client, and then you expect to collect your finders fee. Most of you don't even know how to negotiate a contract let alone present a client. Dipshits, TSB was pretty civil in his description of all of you, A-Holes may be a better description.

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  42. Anon 11:10 said......."As for RSM/VP for 11 years: "hey man, let it go and remember that you probably had a hand in deciding to work with the deadbeats that now shape your opinion. In my book, you are partially to blame."

    You are correct. I deserve the ass whipping received for going with some of the above numb nut recruiters. In some cases I had no choice and in others I just had to guess. Now that I have the choice, I use the opinions of reps and managers whose opinions I value.

    Thanks to forums such as TSB's , I now have a better idea who these "legends in their own mind" are.

    As far as "Retained Recruiter's" comments, you make it sound that only a retained search can find good reps. No. We do hire laid off reps. I prefer them over the job hopping quitters and almost all of our referrals have done very well.

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  43. A Retained RecruiterNovember 5, 2010 at 3:57 PM

    2.32, Im certainly not a spokesman for the recruiting industry, most are as you say, which is probably why folks like you are as disgruntled as you are. However, there are always excpetions. I always shoot my candidates straight, and I follow up with my clients often. Perhaps, instead of classifying all recruiters as assholes because none can help you land a job, you might want to look in the mirror. perhaps hiring managers see you as a douchebag, which, judging by your ignorant, blanket, ad hominum attacks, you are.

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  44. Aw wazz a matta Mr. Recruiter are you a l'il thin skinned. Here let me get ya a pacifier so that you can go to sleep. Poor Babee is having a nightmare. He was dreamin he was a recruiter and the market was dryin' up

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  45. A Retained RecruiterNovember 5, 2010 at 4:11 PM

    "As far as "Retained Recruiter's" comments, you make it sound that only a retained search can find good reps. No. We do hire laid off reps. I prefer them over the job hopping quitters and almost all of our referrals have done very well"


    Thats not what I mean at all...Its really simple: for those who know only yugos, that is the best car on the market...until they see a Mercedes Benz. But if they never see one, they still love that Yugo. If you partner with the right firm, in a manner of mutual trust and benefit, they can provide you with the best of the best.

    I applaud you for hiring folks that have been laid off. I was once...and don't feel any stigma from it. Nor should they. I try to convince my clients of that all the time.

    However, If you wish to employ your method of using the lowest bidder and bringing on incestuous word of mouth types, go for it. I suppose you think you're getting a deal. But you'll never really know for sure, will you?

    And as far calling folks "job hopping quitters" for taking on a better opportunity, I suppose you;re that one honest John in the industry who's getting that Gold Watch after 20 years, right?

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  46. Speaking of John, who is John Galt?

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  47. A Retainer RecruiterNovember 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM

    4.06....

    funny thing...I'll always have work, and I dont begrudge others for doing what they enjoy and makes them money, be it sales, management, recruiting, or consulting.

    It sounds like you're one of the unemployable types who couldnt close the interviewer with or without a recruiters help.

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  48. I work in a VP role and on average receive 2 to 3 phone calls a day and as many LinkedIn requests from recruiters that desperately need to discuss their young firebrand / "top producer" that won't be available for long (sic). As many have mentioned within the posts on this topic, an extremely low number conduct themselves in what I consider a professional, respectable, and positive manner. Let me provide a little hint --- Ramping up your calling efforts with no subsequent, return call from my office is not the best plan to take. The annoying and pestering messages do nothing more than guarantee that I will never use your services.

    After 20 years in the industry I can count on 1 or 2 fingers the people I would even speak to about a candidate. Tossing names and resumes at me with no insight and thought to "fit" isn't providing a service. How about the time when a candidate resume shows up in my inbox and I fired the guy 2 years ago - theres some solid work for you. The majority of headhunter, recruiter, search providers do nothing more than attempt to fill a slot and move on, but are then surprised when you will have nothing to do with them from a repeat business standpoint. Hate to say it, but this is rocket science. Get a clue or get out.

    As for "Retained Recruiter", I hate to say it, but you aren't doing yourself any favors carrying on like you are, yet simply reinforcing things on how the market views your profession.

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  49. That gold watch has now turned into a box for your belongings and a used iron-man triathlon with a broken strap

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  50. 4:13 I have a gig. Just think its funny that most recruiters believe they are credible and think it always is the candidate and not the recruiter or the company does not really know what they are looking for. Can speak from first hand experience when my CEO questions my decision to hire someone and they don't believe that person fits his criteria when the dude doesn't even interact with him on a daily basis. PS: Even if I needed a job, I would network myself with industry contacts, its less painful.

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  51. Hands down, the best exec recruiter I have ever met is Jim Lubowski. I don't know if this guy still is in the industry, he was out of Chicago and this guy was a real professional. Jim, if you're out there, let us know.

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  52. The Website is www.lubawski.com, check this guy out Jim is the real deal, Drue DeAngelis a close second.

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  53. The Big Lubawski. The Dude abides, man.

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  54. The Dude also has Walter Sobchak on his team, but remember the rule Walter doesn't roll on Shiva....... and he doesn't like cheaters. He rolls with The Dude...................

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  55. A Retained RecruiterNovember 5, 2010 at 6:38 PM

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  56. Are you sure I really really can make $350K at plan by doing this to myself? How should I dress? Will it hurt? Should I bring my brag book? Please tell me Mr. Recruiter. Yes I will follow up with you after. Thank you for this opportunity.

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  57. OK you can delete mine too since 6:38 has been deleted. it makes no sense now..ha ha

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  58. No need to be derogatory to our bloggers, you are absolutely correct that it is unfair to pass judgement on everyone when there are a few bad apples in your industry, just like in sales. Unfortunately, that seems to be the norm rather than an isolated situation, maybe it's just a sign of the times. I can substantiate many of the claims made by some of our bloggers, or by many of the comments written because in one capacity or another these individuals have attempted to sell their services to a few of the organizations that i have worked for during my tenure in this industry. So in closing, if you want to bitch, bitch, but don't give our readers the bird when you don't like what you hear, take it up with your peers. That serves this forum no purpose. Peace

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  59. David Coad is a complete doofas. Run don't walk from the guy.

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  60. I'm glad this topic came up. Executive recruiters, in my opinion, are the biggest joke on the planet...and we complain about surgeons getting paid for sham consultant deals for "no work"??? How bout these people

    I'm a rep. Two things...

    Reps don't need "executive recruiters" to land a job and surgeon's don't need reps to operate.

    Can we all agree on this?

    Recruiters are about as useful as a nerf dilrod---really, you are. You can't sit here and tell us that your search firm that consists of, on average, two people, has this magic formula for screening top candidates? Sales isn't a perfect science and either is the hiring process. Quit acting like you have it figured out.

    And please stop telling us that we need to send "thank you letters" and to "close them" after each interview.

    Companies need to wake up and realize how much money they are wasting on these people.

    I just got placed last month. Any important info that I needed answered, I called the company direct.

    Hey executive recruiter, your check's in the mail. Bravo, couldn't have done it without ya

    ...just like the surgeon couldn't have done the case today without me being in the room

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  61. Matt "The Midget" Murray is a con artist! Is Merril Stromer a recruiter or is he a pimp that changes companies weekly

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  62. Just received an e-mail from Matt Murray yesterday. Do any of the other people in this discussion have opinions on him?

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  63. What about a Andy Lopreato? He called the other day about a new company who is trying to sell disposable powered drills/saws etc? Anyone have any history with him?

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  64. Matt's pretty benign, never helped me out, talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk. I got a feeling he does other things besides recruit. No one is as bad as Matt (I got my finger in the cookie jar) mospan. Useless, TOTALLY USELESS

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  65. Mospan is a class act always followed through and I made a ton of money off of products he brought to the table.

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  66. R Harris is a joke
    J Meyers solid
    Ed Curan as good as gold
    Oscar is a tool

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  67. Amazed at the collective anger and consensus of opinion towards recruiters. It seems to have less to do with people not getting the jobs they want, but rather what they see is the lack of professional conduct in how the widely reviled single-name-pariahs the Ryans, Micahs, Oscars, Jacks, et.al. conduct themselves.

    The misrepresentation of salaries, failure to call back/follow up w candidates, posting positions that do not exist, and generally exhibiting the reprehensible conduct that likely got them canned from their corporate jobs. It does reflect badly on the recruiters who do their jobs well in a difficult environment ..without consistently pissing so many others off.

    One would think this level of contempt would be reserved for jihadists or pedophiles.

    Why would anyone use them if you see them as such low lifes? Use your networks and the corporate web sites and avoid the aggravation.

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  68. I was just looking at Medreps.com, there is a job that I am very interested in, more than qualified for, the recruiter is Ryan Harris. I have dealt with him in the past and do not want to again. Regional Manager that is looking, you are missing out on great candidates because of your choice of a recruiter.

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  69. 10:07, what category do you fit in- hijadist or pedophiles? Just sayin

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  70. 70 posts about why companies don't need to use "executive recruiters"

    Strength in numbers

    So this is the bragbook they are all wanting us to take into our interviews.

    Get rid of em'

    You want to truth about if a rep is good or not, ask your own people. Not the yahoo's who judge people off a resume or their b/s brag book #'s that they make up...
    Pay the reps for the information they give. We are the underground network, out in the field---we know who has the most business

    Til then, keep telling us to send thank you letters, close each person after each meeting, tell them you want the job even if you don't. Funny, whoever wrote that before. So on point.

    Really, what useful info do these "executive recruiters" actually give us?

    All that I've read/seen so far is validation that we have no use for them

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  71. 2:13 is correct about ”We are the underground network out in the field"....I have worked with several companies without being asked for a resume...its all about who you know and conversations that you have

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  72. TO Anon 4:14 Try Salient Surgical. That is one of companies...and they do post on their web own web site.

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  73. Hey TSB - what do you think about the Synthes acqusition of Anspach announced this am?

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  74. Probably a good move considering that had a somewhat limited power portfolio compared to a Stryker. This will definitely provide them with more flexibility in multiple markets. JMO

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  75. The Anspach deal has to hurt a number of DePuy distributors. I had heard that in roughly 70% of the country they had the line

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  76. Hey TSB - any thoughts on making this Anspach/Synthes deal a seperate Blog topic- would love to see what others may think. i had heard something as well re the Depuy situation.

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  77. In all the years I have been in the business, and it's been a lot, I have hired one person from a headhunter ... one. And that didn't go so well. Great on paper, a few good references, but the work just wasn't there. And, I've had to change jobs a few times either due to buy outs or something forcing me to find a new job; left on my own a couple of times. Seems like a lot, but again, have been here for over 35 years. Never, not once, ever secured a job through a headhunter.

    Why? Only you can tell your own story effectively. Only you can sit across the table and sell your sole. And, as much as you would like to think a great looking resume and a strong headhunter supporting it will get you heard, it just doesn't happen. Only headhunters and big corp HR like a pretty resume. Those looking for talent want facts, not a pretty resume. To find a headhunter that can effectively answer when asked, "what is the person like, what is he thought of by peers or business associates, tell me about his personality" is rare indeed. How could they, most have never met the person.

    Only once, and it has been very recent, have I been contacted by a retained recruiter that interviewed, screened, discussed the company with knowledge of the company and industry, references checked, people called who should know me and have an opinion not on the reference list. It was impressive. Not one, but two from the company talked to me. It was Kaye/Bassman International. Communication has been quite satisfactory.

    Like most I have been suspect of headhunters. This is the most professional group I have had contact with and for the first time would give high consideration to use them should I be in need (but not ready to make a reference to others). I met them in person which is also rare; when was the last time you met one face to face. No, I don't work for them, no I have no interest in the company, and they contacted me after doing a survey. Friends called I haven't heard from in some time wondering "what's going on".

    Guess I can no longer say all headhunters are just meat seekers.

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  78. Thought I would ask why there are no comments about SMISS. Great meeting, seems to be the only meeting that is actually growing.

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  79. yeah sure you're not a Kaye/Bassman insider... nice try.
    slick

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  80. From whats been posted. Maybe gender selection may have a positive outlook?

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  81. anyone have any information/ opinions on Blaise Group International as a search firm?

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  82. I am a recruiter. Thought I should get that out there first. I have never participated in the discussions, but certainly read them as there is good information posted.

    I found it interesting that almost all of these comments seem to come from the sales professionals. We do very little recruiting in sales. I was surprised that there were not more postings from R&D, Marketing, etc. Either they are not reading these posts or just not commenting.

    I agree, most recruiters are thugs. Not fair to lump us all into that category, but it is likely safe to assume it. The reason we do not recruit in sales is the fact that these positions are heavily discounted. Thus, the fees made on placing sales professionals are a fraction of fees on placing other Medical Device professionals. That, and the fact that turnover in sales is incredibly high, keeps us from putting much focus there.

    I will sugguest that, like most things in life, you get what you pay for. It is unfair to expect the service that we provide to our clients, but want to pay flat fees as low as $4500. If you want steak, do not expect to pay hotdog prices. Not sticking up for these sales recruiters because there is no excuses for the way most treat candidates. What I will say is that if I ever need a Spine physician, I will not be seeking the cheapest one.

    Lastly, I very much respect and appreciate what ALL the Medical Device professionals do for this awesome industry!! THANKS TSB for your efforts!

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  83. True. No need for a recruiter for sales reps. As a small company might have one VP one Mkt. mgr., one engineer...but twenty sales reps. Per capita there are much more out there.

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  84. it's matt "the midget" con artist murray. i'm actually a full 5'7"! lol. having added sales revenues by introducing spine professionals to many orthopedic companies it's hard for me to get negative being a recruiter. it's understandable that many of you from both the client side and the candidate side dislike recruiters. those that send resumes to clients unsolicited, dropping confidential names, and of course poaching disgruntled or looking to leave candidates. my search firm PSP blows off a lot of "sales reps" that wash out of companies for not posting any numbers, misrepresenting hospital and surgeon traction, or just can't plain sell shit. however if you represent yourself accurately i'll run through walls, making sure you get in front of my clients who of course have their own opinions on what's makes a candidate qualified. anyway i have 7 regional directors, 32 sales reps, and 9 engineers i need to find. should you want to work with a hard working midget you can reach me at mattm@psp1.com.

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  85. Puhleeze, those 7 "director" positions are from my company and we have had no less than a dozen recruiters pull them off our web site and start running around like they have an exclusive. I blame our HR for encouraging this behavior. It only adds to the condemnation of recruiters for soliciting resumes for positions which they have no valid client.

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  86. I am a recruiter and frankly pondscum sounds better than a cocksucker to docs who make less money than you! This is really funny to me because I do speak to qualified candidates daily who if i don't have anything for them at this second I let them know and actively search for open positions that they would be qualified for. And frankly this sounds like the losers on the wall at a school dance complaining that everyone else sucks but really i would be a hater too if i had to get up at 5am everyday to go suck a big one!

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  87. Anyone know of what Merril Stromer and Greg Mercurio are doing?

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  88. Tattoo, Your off of Fantasy Island now and no longer HR Director for LANX. Pals Suck Peckers stop plugging yourself on this site

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  89. Matt Murray... HA!

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